This is part two in a three part series, written by poster Nancy Brenner…it is a must read! Thanks to Nancy for her knowledgable insights and for allowing me to share her thoughtful words. Linda Paris Admin karma4Caylee.
In our United States of America if you are accused of a crime and taken to court, you are told you have the Constitutional right to a trial by a jury of your peers. Yes, you would be tried by a jury of your peers, but what the Constitution actually says is this: “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed. . .” (Amendment 6)
Note that nothing at all is said or implied about a jury of “peers.” The kind of “impartial” jury the Founding Fathers had in mind was to be judiciously selected from the better-informed, if not educated, and fair-minded members of the community, an English Common Law practice harking back to the 12th century. In modern-day America, that tradition has taken a different twist. Jurors selected for criminal trials nowadays are not just our peers in the common sense of the word, but also, by design, the most gullible, swayable, undiscerning, unintelligent jurors possible.
I’ve come to believe the jury in the Casey Anthony murder trial got sidetracked with Baez spin, ignored the law, lost sight of any and all justice, which was calculated and to be expected. Jurors are sought out, by the defense, as those unsure of their own reasoning skills so that they can be easily manipulated, convinced “lurid” demonstration of innocence includes the notion of “reasoned” innocence. In that respect, our justice system fails those on trial and all of us. Defense attorneys want jurors bereft of any skills of cognitive reasoning or logic, and in this case they got them. Never have a lawyer and client been better matched.

Snap shot of FOX'S live chat during the trial. Baez was consistently MOCKED on every chat and came out as LOSING on every live poll.
Unless we get back in line with the tradition of jury selection as understood by the Founding Fathers, travesties like the Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson, Al Capone and other hyped-up murder trials—the list is long—will continue to make a mockery of American criminal law.
When you have a system where a potential jurist can repeatedly admit during the jury selection process that her beliefs preclude her being able to judge another person and then she still ends up on the jury based on nothing but her race…this is what you get.
All of which confirm my thoughts that we need to begin a national dialogue about potential jury reforms that are reasonable and realistic.
Maybe future Florida juries need to pass tests proving proficiency in listening comprehension, deductive reasoning and common sense.
Beyond reasonable doubt is different from without a shadow of a doubt.
Reasonable doubt is the type of question that makes you wonder: “was Caylee murdered or was it an accident?”; “Was Casey involved in her daughter’s death or not at all?” “Was the murder premeditated or accidental?” There is no evidence for an accident so there is no reason to doubt that murder is a fact. Nobody doubts that Casey was involved in the murder.
To my way of thinking, working to improve the jury process is one positive step to reducing the probability that dysfunctional juries will make absurd decisions. This verdict acts to undermine our criminal justice system; when a verdict is not consistent with the facts presented during trial our criminal justice system suffers.
I personally am offended when a hollow platitude is offered, such as “this is the system we have and we must respect the juror’s decisions.”
I do not respect decisions that are arrived at with flawed logic, bias, and ignorance of the legal instructions.
To me, that indicates a system problem that can be explored and worked on.
The only thing this case clearly highlighted was how frighteningly lacking in intellectual rigor ordinary jurors are.
I would not trust Juror Ford to bring me coffee the way I like it or pass on a simple message word for word. She didn’t know her job and refused to do any thinking, assuming she was capable, which I seriously doubt. She absolved herself of doing her job and taking responsibility. Her understanding of her role was wrong and reasoning for her decision chaotic and incoherent.
Far from the system working it is inherently flawed.
All the noise about the media and what they and the public wanted is irrelevant. Getting it egregiously wrong doesn’t prove the system worked because that result is contrary to a seemingly berating and demanding public opinion and expectation of the opposite result. Time for professional jurors meeting a minimum high level of intellect and broad life experience relevant to the case?
Maybe a professional jury pool of trained and willing individuals who are paid a respectable daily rate for their work on a trial is the answer. I’ve heard others that believe the remedy is to place legally educated experts in the deliberation room to guide the jurors through any misunderstanding of the law or lack of comprehension of their responsibility. Another idea floated as a remedy involves interaction from the judge—after the jury reaches the verdict, the judge would meet with them to determine if they used proper criteria and objective reasoning to make their decision. If they have, the verdict is then announced in the courtroom. If not, they go back to work or the judge declares a mistrial.
The Anthony case shows that Americans are increasingly unable to form a rational inference. If facts A, B, C and E are known, fact “D” can often be inferred from the other facts. In the Anthony case, jurors abdicated their civic responsibility to come to a conclusion based on the evidence – confusing substituting “reasonable doubt” with a hypothetical exculpatory scenario the defense attorneys offered with absolutely zero supporting evidence. The jury spoke, and they said they just wanted to negotiate large fees for interviews and didn’t need any stinkin’ evidence; they were more than happy to go on vacation and free Casey to continue destroying anyone who gets near her. I believe that they may have calculated that if Casey had gotten a just sentence people would not be so outraged, the story would die and that would be that. However, if she were found not guilty and did no time it would be big news for years to come, just like OJ.
Who would benefit from that?
The media without question but also anyone who has an inside story to tell.
That could be Casey of course, but most know that would only be more lies. George, Cindy and Lee, who really knew more than they were telling, some dolts probably will find out now for a price.
But there are others that maybe no one would think about on the surface, who might have actually plotted their profits:
The jurors.
It would only take a couple of them to have discussed this in private, agreed to sway the rest without telling them why. They refused to talk as a group at the pre-arranged presser after their absurd verdict because they were “too upset.”
I’ve often wondered if one of them wasn’t contacted by the defense during the 3 days off that Judge Perry gave them prior to the trial beginning.
Most of us here have reviewed the forensic reports and other evidentiary documents at length. It was as if this jury based their conclusions solely on the testimony heard in the courtroom and did not consider the evidentiary value of the submitted materials.
It seemed as if they placed more value on the opening statements of the defense than they did on the scientific reports before them.
We did not base our conclusions on hyperbole or media frenzy.
We derived them from a thoughtful consideration of the evidence uncovered during the investigation and presented at trial.
We studied the evidence with far more interest and sense of responsibility than these jurors did.
One of the jurors said that they did not review any of the documents presented in evidence at the trial.
They didn’t seem to understand those reports were just as much part of the evidence as the testimony they heard.
During deliberations, they did not ask any questions of the judge nor did they request the read back of any testimony.
Jurors in the trial for Phoenix serial killer Dale Hausner took over 3 weeks to deliberate because they methodically went through the evidence and applied it to each charge. That’s what you want from a jury. Not vague and unexamined emotional reactions to personalities and speeches, which seems to have happened here.
The jury ignored the prosecution, as if they resented law enforcement & distrusted the state attorneys while they took as evidence Baez’s opening statement despite the fact it was not evidence.
Jury nullification in its finest.

Did the defense prove to 12 people that George Anthony could dump his grandchild in the trash instead of calling 911?
That they were death penalty qualified is only one limited aspect – gets them into the big pool of possible candidates. During voir dire the defense sought to exclude people with college degrees, situational awareness, and etc. especially military personnel for a purpose. Pinellas County arguably has one of the largest concentrations of retired professionals (doctors, lawyers, accountants, military officers) in the country and yet none made the jury.
If you read the voir dire questions they used and the peremptory dismissals (those kept out) you will see how the jury was stacked.
We got the 12 stupidest people in Florida for this jury.
These jurors revealed themselves via the media to be imbeciles – including the alternate juror. Reason to doubt is not the same as reasonable doubt and you don’t have to be free of all doubt to convict.
Why didn’t they go over the evidence from day one, why did the 2 jurors that were holding out for guilt cave?
How could they let her go free on an unproven theory?
Until jurors must sign that no profit will be made on their service stealth jurors will profit, some have already, getting attorneys and agents, that’s blood money.
Justice must never mirror Evil; Justice must always be a mirror for Evil so that all may see.
Devoid as these jurors were of common sense, incapable as they were of the slightest bit of reasoning I suppose that no alternative outcome was possible. Evidently, it never occurred to this uppity bunch–as they sat listening to several weeks’ worth of testimony–to ask themselves a few questions. Questions like:
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to go out drinking and dancing with friends (at parties and nightclubs) when she believes her little girl has been kidnapped by the “nanny”?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to go on shopping sprees (with checks she stole from a friend) knowing full well she might never see her dear, sweet daughter alive again?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to enter a “hot body” contest while everyone else in her family is wondering why they haven’t seen her two-year-old daughter for weeks on end?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to relentlessly mislead (and withhold information from) the detectives who are trying to help her find her child?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to get a “Bella Vita” (Beautiful Life) tattoo just days after her child goes missing?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to wait 31 days to tell anyone (including her own mother) that her daughter has disappeared?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to suddenly change her story from “the nanny did it” to “the swimming pool did it, and my father covered it up”?
Would it be more reasonable for a mother–or a murderer–to drive around town, for two to four days, with her little girl’s decomposing body in the trunk of her car?
(Let’s not be stupid here: one trunk + the fetid stench of rotting flesh + the detection of remarkably high levels of an exceedingly toxic anesthetic + one missing little girl = one deceased missing little girl.)
Would it be more reasonable to believe a pathological liar when she tells you–via her defense attorney–that her father never even attempted to perform CPR or call 911 after he retrieved his granddaughter’s dead body from the pool?
Or would it be more reasonable to believe the pathological liar’s father–a former police officer–when he tells you he never heard anything about his granddaughter drowning until his daughter’s defense attorney introduced that preposterous idea on the first day of the trial?
Would it be more reasonable to believe a pathological liar when she tells you–via her defense attorney–that her father helped her dispose of his granddaughter’s lifeless body in a swampy, wooded area near his home? Or would it be more reasonable to believe what the pathological liar’s father said on the stand: 1) no drowning ever took place and 2) had a drowning taken place, he would have done anything he could to save his beloved granddaughter.
I could go on and on with similar questions…
but what would be the point?
Any fairly reasonable human being would doubtless have convicted CA of first-degree murder based upon fewer questions than the ones I just posed.
Indeed, take one or two–even three–out of the mix and you’ll still be left with a mother who ruthlessly took the life of her darling daughter.
One thing I cannot understand. The first vote this jury took was 10 to 2 for first degree, and 6-6 for manslaughter.
Within 8 hours they all went for innocent.

The 12 Jurors who ignored mountains of testimony, evidence and science are the new villains in this terrible tragedy.
Seeing that I have been on jury’s twice in my life that is not the way a jury reacts. If two jurors thought first degree and 6 thought manslaughter you would think that this should have been a knock down, drag out deliberation. The ones who thought she was guilty should have asked the judge to send in the evidence that made them think she was guilty. Going over the evidence and arguing their point should have tied this jury up for at least 2 or 3 days. How is it possible that ONE single juror did not say to the others: “I am staying here until we completely go over all the evidence, testimony and judge’s charges. I will not decide on my verdict until I’m satisfied that I’ve reviewed everything.”
She has to be the luckiest killer in the world to get this jury.
Sounds to me like they did not care, and they just wanted to go home.
If you wrap your child up in duct tape and a bag, and then lie about it for a month, watching hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of man-hours wasted, you probably deserve to be found guilty of aggravated child endangerment just on principle.
But this jury was clueless.
The more I think about it, the more I think she inadvertently benefited at trial from being a serial liar.
One of the alleged “tells” in the case is how she behaved after the baby disappeared; for 31 days, she knew her daughter was missing and chose to go on partying rather than report it. For any other defendant, that would be smoking-gun evidence that she had deliberately killed her kid since, had it been accidental, even a child abuser would be expected to show some sort of shock, anxiety, depression, etc afterward.
Obviously, though, the jury was the biggest problem and probably nothing else mattered with this bunch and this Foreman.
They focused on non-evidence like the Opening Statement, ignored actual evidence, failed to understand the law and elements of the crimes, failed to review the evidence, poor choice of foreman who appeared to have dominated the proceedings with his ignorant yet convincing (to his follow jurors sheeple) rantings about what the “law” demanded they do and who took a “voice vote” instead of a secret ballot as his first act so that he could identify those that needed to be worked on and cajoled into voting not guilty.
Part three of Nancy’s amazing article coming soon!












Nancy, I just read Part 2 of your series and I am so impressed with your article. It’s one of the best I’ve ever read on the subject. You’re a great writer. Your ideas to start fixing the jury system are logical and intelligent, so I’ll tell you right now, it will never happen (but it should). I read this on a different blog last week and I believe it to be true: “We are no longer a nation built on ethics and morals.” Keep writng these thoughtful, insightful articles. Thank you.
She has answered the questions posed by Texas Equusearch:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Casey-Anthony-answers-Texas-EquuSearch-s-questions/-/1637132/8476236/-/lg52gtz/-/index.html
I would love to know, though: since she has denied knowing that they were searching for her daughter (huh?!?!), and since it could fairly easily be proven that she DID know, could she face some sort of penalty for lying in response to deposition questions while she’s on probation?
Dido…if she answered questions then I’m sure her attorneys guided her. The problem with making a “deposition” in HER case is…. that there are MORE legal issues coming down the pike for her…. and they DO NOT want her to SPEAK as a matter of RECORD because they don’t know if what she says in a deposition in THIS CASE…will later on come back to haunt her in ANOTHER CASE.
They really don’t know if it could later on hurt her in THIS case either..they can’t tell if she’s telling the truth or not…so they don’t know WHAT may come up in Zenaida’s case…and if she has made a statement that could hurt her…there’s $15,000 that she will NOT be able to keep…
She’s a liar and an IDIOT..they can’t let her speak or they will NEVER GET PAID.
I’m going to stick my neck out and say this dumbass is going to burn every bridge she has and end up out on the streets and breaking the law again…
I’ve never seen a bigger idiot in my life.
She is STONE COLD STUPID.
Lying on a deposition is perjury…but as we know FLORIDA doesn’t PROSECUTE “perjury”…apparently you can LIE all you want to on the stand in Florida!
I agree Cindy Anthony committed perjury in front of the entire world and the state of Florida boldly announced, through their silence, that it’s okay to raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth but lie instead.
The state of Florida also said it was okay for the defense team to turn Casey Anthony’s trial into a George Anthony trial but strip George of all his legal rights as a defendant. He could not plead innocent, he could not have a lawyer represent him, he could not have witnesses testify that he was a protective and loving grandfather to Caylee, etc.
The unspeakable damage is done and only the hate we have for Casey Anthony survives… I hope it’s enough to give her a lifetime of grief.
Now we have to fight for change in our judicial system and to get the despicable, unethical defense lawyers who sold their soul to the devil out of business
Just to clarify, in Florida, the amount of $15,000.00 is an amount always shown in the pleading to differentiate it from a small claims civil action. The amount that Zenaida is looking for is likely WAY above that amount. In other words, $15,000.00 is traditionally used in all civil lawsuits in the State of Florida when they are filed.
Our justice system has evolved into a corupt sytem that allows trials to be won or lost on Jury selection. Discusting.
Sally – all of your comments mirror mine, Just the other day I re read an article by Pat Brown and I was shocked! She forecasted the events and outrageous verdict back in 2008! Here’s the article:
http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2008/12/profiling-topic-of-day-duct-tape.html
Nancy B, thank you for all of your intelligent, objecive logical comments and the compliment that my comments mirror yours. Thank you also for posting this link. I am an admirer of FBI Profiler Pat Brown and thought her blogs about Casey being a psychopath dead on. I had never read this entry by Brown before. I too am shocked that she predicted when Caylee’s remains were found with duct tape in December 2008 that Casey may walk.
I was totally blown away that in 2008 Pat Brown wrote: “Is this another OJ Simpson case in the making? Another dog-and-pony show that will end up with a not-guilty verdict? Will our idiotic crap shoot of a jury system fail again to provide justice to the victims of murder and put a killer back on the streets? Will some well-meaning, but untrained jury going to be suckered by yet another bunch of lying, justice obstructing, snake oil salesmen attorneys? Why is it if we are seeking justice in our court system do we allow attorneys to “defend” their clients by lying for them and about them?”
Unlike Pat Brown, I was naive and believed that because other juries had found defendants guilty without a body and less evidence than the state of Florida had on Casey Anthony,this jury would see through all the smoke and mirrors and find her guilty too. When I heard Baez opening statement and the clowns that he put on as defense witnesses and the professional stellar case the prosecution presented, I was confident a jury would see the truth as 90 per cent of the people who followed the case did, that Casey Anthony was guilty of first degree murder and aggravated child abuse. I knew she was guilty as soon as I heard Cindy’s hysterical voice on the 911 call: “Something is wrong. I just found my daughter’s car today and it smells like there has been a dead body in the damn car.” and Casey’s robotic voice: “I haven’t seen my daughter for 31 days.” It doesn’t take a rocket scfientist to connect the dots and determine Caylee was dead and Casey murdered her just from that alone. Then the computer searches for chloroform, air tests determining chloroform was in the car trunk along with Caylee’s hair and the smell of a decomposing body, Casey borrowing a shovel shortly after Caylee was last seen and the clincher: Caylee’s skeleton with duct tape holding the mandible in place and a heart sticker found in a garbage bag close to the Anthony home. I didn’t dream a jury would look at that and say “that isn’t evidence of murder. I think it was an accidental drowning and George was there.” It was like these jurors were from Never Never Land. Nothing they said made any sense. But Pat Brown, who has dealt with psychopaths, unethical sleazy defense attorneys and unpredictable juries knew it was possible.
This was a wake up call for me and I believe like you and Pat Brown that we need to change our system. Right now it is backwards because defense attorneys are encouraged to point the finger at an innocent person or manufacture an alternate theory to create reasonable doubt where none exists and to strike jurors who have the intelligence, common sense, logic, reasoning skills and knowledge of the law to find their client guilty.
oh, listen to this! omg, what a load of absolute krap in this article ! really, George should sue.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/19/what-casey-anthonys-psychiatry-records-tell-us-did-casey-really-kill-caylee/#content
Sierra,
When I read it, I thought I was going to vomit. IMO, he’s “courting” *IT* for book 2, “Inside the Pants Of *IT*”. I’m not a Doctor and I don’t play one on TV, but this guy sounds like he’s a few bricks short of a load himself.
Doris
Child Advocate,
…or 1 banana short of a bunch, or 1 burrito shy of a combo dinner ! …..100% profit motive, like the rest of ‘that’ clan. Perhaps he’s trying to bolster foghorn leghorn’s recent boast – or deliberate misdirection – that they’ve got her in some mental facility…the only one I’d believe she’d belong in is an inpatient substance abuse program. But, that’s just my opinion. More PR ploys & mudslinging.
Here’s my question: in those depositions, she apparently told the doctors that she was molested from the ages of 8 to 11 (and again, for some reason, at 18); but according to Baez’ opening statement, “she could be 13 years old, have her father’s…”, etc. Why isn’t anyone questioning those vastly different stories, coming from a woman who has obviously spent her life perfecting the art of lying?
Dido, it is useless to question anything the pathological liar says because every time she opens her mouth a bigger lie pops up. She is good at making up elaborate stories full of detail with names, descriptions of people that don’t exist and incidents that never occured. None of what she said is true about the molestation or the “accidental drowning.” Baez just crafted his opening statement to shock the nation and make his client look like a victim instead of what she is, a murderer. He didn’t care about the details. In the opening statement, he even said Caylee drowned in the morning and then later told the media it was afternoon. It was obvious he made it up because Casey even told the doctors Caylee couldn’t have accidentally drowned. Baez used the Abuse Excuse and Everybody But Casey is to blame defense. He didn’t care if his opening statement matched what she had previously told the doctors since they weren’t testifying. His intention was to put George on trial so the jury would focus on George’s behavior instead of his client’s behavior. It worked because they had a jury full of morons. That’s the only explanation for why they would believe a story that didn’t make sense from an attorney who admitted his client had lied about everything she told her family, friends and police for five years. Where did they think he got the story? From George? All the legal pundits said Baez defense was so lame a guilty verdict would be overturned because of ineffective counsel. None of them guessed she would be acquitted of all responsibility in Caylee’s death.
I love the sign – was it really posted in Pinellas County?
Yes!! I was very proud of whoever did that – I also love the sign. Media reports made it clear that the jurors & alternates ALL saw it. That was one of the 1st wake up calls they received about how strongly public opinion was in condemnation of their actions.
Nancy Brenner… GREAT WRITING! I totally agree with everything you said.
Unfortunately, we can only speculate on what happened in the peabrain minds of the 12 jurors during the trial. I believe that ignorance, a lack of respect for law enforcement, absence of common sense and laziness played a major role in each jurors failure to act responsibly and their obvious total neglect of the state’s evidence.
What kind of juror allows themselves to be sucked in to believing an outrageous lie told by the defense without one bit of proof? What kind of juror neglects weighing the states evidence against the accused, thus allowing a murderer to go free? I believe that kind of person had to enter the jury box already psychology damaged in more ways than one.
It’s still all so disgusting to me and I hope these idiot jurors suffer humiliation for the rest of their lives.
This was interesting to find out – guess it has left PSL -
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http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/jan/18/spotlight-in-casey-anthony-saga-shifts-to-palm/
Is Casey Anthony Hiding in Palm City, Fla.?
Jan 18, 2012 1:37 PM EST
Diane Dimond
Last year’s most notorious defendant has all but vanished since her acquittal—but sources tell Diane Dimond she may have been given sanctuary at a church on Florida’s Treasure Coast.
“Taxpayers had already paid plenty for Anthony’s criminal attorneys to wage a three-year battle on her behalf, and as tax dollars continue to go in Anthony’s direction, some residents of the Sunshine State say they believe they deserve protection, too—from Casey Anthony.”
full article:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/is-casey-anthony-hiding-in-palm-city-florida.html
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I usually ignore Casey sightings but this sounds for real. Diane goes into detail about just how far the state of FL will go to protect & give special treatment to their infamous baby killer. Then you have “Pastor” Steve Camp harboring an accused murderer & giving her sanctuary at his church & home. Just when I think this couldn’t make me any sicker…it does.
BRAVO……NANCY…….YOU NAILED IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD…..
AS WE FOLLOWED THE TRIAL LIVE-STREAMING DAILY……WE ALL SHOOK OUR HEADS IN WONDERMENT AT THE 12 NUMB-SKULLS SITTING ACHING TO BE HOME…..WE HAD GOTTEN REPORTS VIA TWITTER THAT THE JURORS WERE BORED TO DEATH. NO NOTE-TAKING WHATSOEVER WAS DONE…..AND EVEN TWITTER REPORTED THAT ‘THE JURORS HAVE MADE UP THEIR MINDS ALREADY’…..THIS FROM EITHER BETH OR JEAN FROM (INSESSION).
I THINK THE SUGAR PLUMS WERE DANCING IN THEIR HEADS….MEANING THE WEEKLY DESSERTS WHICH WERE DELIVERED TO THEM EACH FRIDAY…..COMPLIMENTS OF JUDGE PERRY’S FRIEND WHO ACTUALLY BROUGHT THEM TO THE COURT.
WHY SEVERAL JURORS DECLARED THEY DIDN’T WANT TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON ANYONE DUE TO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS……..JBP IMO BRIBED, CODDLED AND FORCED THEM TO SIT ON THIS CASE WITH ADDED PROMISES OF AN EARLY END TO THE TRIAL.
DISGUSTING AND DISGRACEFUL WAS MY THOUGHTS.
YES, THE FOREMAN ZONED IN ON THOSE WHO WERE LEANING TOWARDS A GUILTY…BUT SOMEHOW THEY CAVED IN TO THIS PISS OF A FOREMAN……..IT’S PEOPLE LIKE THESE WHO SHOULD NEVER SIT IN A COURTROOM.
CAN WE REFER TO US AS JURY TAMPERING……???? I CERTAINLY THINK IT SHOULD’VE BEEN LOOKED INTO…..BUT ALAS IT’S TOO LATE NOW.
THE 12 IDIOTS UNLOCKED THE JAILHOUSE CELL DOOR AND FREED A KILLER WHO SHOULD HAD BEEN LOCKED UP FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
THE BIGGEST SHOCK WAS THAT THE ’12′ ONLY TOOK 11 HOURS AND THEY HAD A VERDICT.
OMG…….THEY GOT THE CASE MINUTES BEFORE LUNCH……HAD LUNCH…..FOLLOWED BY
SOME DISCUSSIONS IN THE JURY ROOM……STOPPED FOR THE DAY……AND CAME IN THE
NEXT MORNING WITH A ‘NOT GUILTY’ VERDICT……HOW THE HELL THAT HAPPEDNED WAS THE TALK OF THE DAY…..
AS I READ YOUR ARTICLE…..MY FONDEST WISH IS THAT IT WOULD BE RELEASED TO THE ORLANDO SENTINEL, CFNEWS13, WESH, WFTV AND EVERY NEWSPAPER IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I’ve long been a proponent of professional juries; I think our “justice” system has become too complex and politicized for most regular people to understand, and it would be more efficient to educate 12 jurors (plus alternates) who would do their job repeatedly than to go through jury selection for every single case and hope for the best.
I was far too angry to watch any of the juror interviews, but didn’t I read somewhere that one of them said that they all thought George was more involved? I remember thinking that they weren’t allowed to be having that conversation, let alone considering it during deliberations (nor were they supposed to consider the opening statement implicating him). I don’t understand why that–along with the other facts pointed out in this article, i.e., Cindy’s perjury–isn’t grounds to have that verdict tossed.
Nancy Brenner, I love your piece and have posted it my page. I’m not sure if I can just post me email here, but I give permission for Linda to give it to you. My group is interested in using one of your idea’s to draft a petition on Change.org. of course, these idea’s are yours and would like to talk to you first. I would love to help change the law on jury reform. It would be another step toward Justice for Caylee. Thank you.
Doris
Doris…I sent Nancy your email and made her aware of your post…so she should be contacting you! How exciting…there were SO MANY GREAT IDEAS in this post…SO MANY! thanks Doris! Linda
Doris,
I will check my email now and get back to you!
Linda and group,
I’m very happy to say Nancy B has been very generous and consented to my group using her idea’s to come up with petition (s) on jury reform! I’m excited about the opportunity to potentially change the system that failed Caylee. We have a golden opportunity to protect future Caylee’s get the justice they deserve.
Thank you Linda for passing along my information and this awesome blog that keeps me determined to fight the good fight. Nancy, thank you for being so generous and letting us pick your brain. And finally, to this group who comment with such passion and commitment. I have my phone set so I’m notified of new comments, I like to read them asap. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions, I’m open to any and all feedback!
What a great day this is! I hope everyone enjoys this happy Friday!
Doris this is great to hear! I really thought nancy had some great ideas in that post…Can’t wait to see the petition…when I get less busy I am going to build a PETITIONS PAGE…so that people can go to that page and see all the petitions that are available to sign! Keep up the good work! thanks for all you do!
The foreman said the jurors all thought George either covered up an accidental drowning or murdered Caylee. That was so ridiculous because George was an old man, a grandfather who adored his granddaughter and was out searching for her and even got a gun to try to threaten Casey’s friends to find out where Caylee was so he could bring her home. If they read between the lines, they’d see Baez was accusing George of not falling on the sword for Casey, of testifying before the grand jury and of telling the cops the car smelled like a dead body and that Casey knew more than she was saying. That proves Baez’s guilty client was trying to blame her father for her crime and he wouldn’t go down for it. The jailhouse videos and George’s testimony proved that George knew nothing about Caylee’s death, that he thought she was alive until her remains were found and then he thought she was murdered by a stranger until Baez opening statement when he accused George of covering up an accidental drowning. In one of the jailhouse visits, George tells Casey: “I wish I could trade places with you.” In another, he begs her to talk to the FBI and tell them who is holding Caylee and says the whole family could go into a witness protection program with Caylee once they get her back. If he knew his granddaughter accidentally drowned, wouldn’t he just tell the cops that and get his daughter out of jail. When he heard Baez opening statement, George knew without any doubt his daughter was responsible for his granddaughter’s death. Just because George sparred with Baez, the jurors all thought that meant he was “hiding” something. To anyone with a brain, it simply meant George was angry because Baez was accusing him of being a child molester and throwing his dead granddaughter’s body in the swamp. George even said when he took the stand that he was hurt by those accusations. It was obvious to anyone but the jury that George loved his daughter and granddaughter and would never harm either of them. The foreman said he “reads people” and thought Casey “was sincere” but had a bad feeling every time George took the stand. George is a former cop. Most likely the foreman didn’t like cops. Being a coach and school teacher, he may have taken his students side if they were in trouble with law enforcement. I think the jury wanted to believe George was the villain so they didn’t have to send anyone to jail or to the death chamber. Then they could waltz off and make their book deals and appear in national TV with a clear conscience. They didn’t count on the outraged public and reporters asking them how they could sleep at night after setting free a mother who murdered her own defenseless baby with chloroform and duct tape.
Nancy, you brought up two good points in your article that the jurors had three days between jury selection and the trial and they were allowed to talk on their cell phones during the trial. In those three days, they could have accessed the Internet and they could have talked to anyone. A friend of a cousin of the foreman said his mother believed Casey was innocent and one of her family members might have done it. Likely he was talking to her since he is not married and has no kids. As you pointed out, he was the one who told the jury the law said the prosecutor had to prove cause of death and wouldn’t allow them to consider Casey not reporting her child dead or missing in 31 days “because it wasn’t illegal.” He also was the one who praised Baez after the trial and said Ashton was “unprofessional.” They spent a lot of time together when they were sent out of the courtroom for repeated sidebars and conferences with the attorneys as well as breakfast, lunch and dinner and in the evening when they watched movies. They weren’t always monitored. I believe someone was brainwashing them when they were not in the courtroom because it is highly suspicious that 12 people would come up with a not guilty verdict within 10 hours when everybody in the world who watched the trial predicted she would be found guilty and the foreman, Ford and two alternate jurors would all parrot everything Baez said and ignore everything the prosecutors and their witnesses said.
I agree with everything you said. In addition to being unintelligent, distrustful of law enforcement, incompetent, sheep, none of these people wanted to take responsibility. I think they thought their job was to protect Casey, not Caylee, because I believe all of them had watched too many TV shows and movies where defendants are innocent, defense attorneys unmask the real killer on the stand and the jurors set free the innocent defendant and they all live happily ever after. Jennifer Ford said she voted not guilty because if she was arrested for a crime, she would hope a jury would make the prosecutors prove she committed the crime.
Jeff Ashton said in his book the jurors asked to see children’s movies, which puzzled the prosecutors. Children’s movies are full of fantasy and usually have happy endings. Several of the jurors said in jury selection that they “hoped the child wasn’t murdered” and “that Casey was not responsible.” Baez answered their prayers when he said Caylee accidentally drowned and George wouldn’t let Casey call 911. That got Casey off the hook and them off the hook.
Jennifer Ford said in jury selection she didn’t watch the news because she didn’t like to hear about bad things. Yet, she begged Baez to allow her to sit on the jury because “I want to know what everyone else knows.” After the verdict, she insisted there was no evidence of a murder. When asked about the chloroform and duct tape, she said, “It may look bad or smell bad but it isn’t murder.” That sounds like a little kid who covers her eyes when she sees something bad on the TV or movie screen.
Jeff Ashton also said the jurors were completely unphased at the picture of Caylee’s skull with the duct tape on it. The jury foreman said the computer searches, the chloroform and dead body smell in the car trunk, the duct tape, the 31 days of partying, the videos of Casey ranting and raving and demanding Tony’s phone number meant nothing. He praised Baez, said he put on a great case and was a great lawyer, but he was shocked at Ashton when he laughed at Baez, saying “a little girl lost her life, he should be serious.” The foreman obviously wasn’t serious enough to try to get justice for her. Instead he was too busy admiring the defense attorney and looking at George as the villain.
Sally M, even now legal pundits as well as ordinary folks point to simply the 31 day gap between Caylee dying & Cindy taking on the babykiller & calling 9-1-1 as the most damning ‘fact’ pointing to the babykiller’s guilt. Just that one thing. I concur with Dr. G when she said “I don’t get people who think Elvis is alive, I don’t get people who think astronauts didn’t land on the moon, & I don’t get these people.”
PS – I laughed @ bozo too, at that point. Anybody & everybody should have. Bozo was preposterous. However, the 1 thing I think he did right was to ‘intellectually condescend’ to these 17 lazy dummies. He had pictures of each witness on a board as he spoke about them. I think that was effective in closing. I don’t think the jurors processed that video George took of Caylee playing on the babykiller’s legs coz they didn’t capture the fact that Caylee was actually trying to step on her killer’s throat & kick her face, like I saw. They only saw Caylee giggling to her Papa Jo, & the babykiller trying to avoid Caylee’s feet while smiling for the camera…they didn’t see how she deeply resented the attention Caylee got to the point of wanting Caylee dead, & following through with it. jmho
I’m right there with you! This group of jurors, matched with this case amounts to jury tampering to me. At first, I thought their verdict was due to apathy. They didn’t care, they just wanted to go home. They they started talking. Everything they said was verbatim what they heard from Baez. They dismissed all the evidence and bought an unproven opening statement from Baez! Why? Because he was such a “good lawyer”? REALLY? Were they asleep through the trial? IMO, they need to be investigated with a fine tooth comb.
Dr Lillian Glass’s latest blog entry blames the loss of the trial on Jeff Ashton. According to her, he was arrogant and unprofessional. The “smirk” turned the jury off and they liked Baez better. Was she watching the trial at all? The PT was very professional, Baez had to be schooled on law daily by Judge Perry! Yes, JA smirked because Baez’s voice sounded like he inhaled helium. That one smirk did not lose this case. Jury tampering did. Who knows what they were talking about or to on the phone? For that matter, do we know for sure none of them accessed the internet from their phone?
Dr Lillian also firmly believes that George did sexually abuse CA from the time that she was a small child – I have never believed any of that. She can’t stand Ashton! Go figure. I’m in agreement with you that Ashton’s smirk had zip to do with the jury’s absurd verdict.
I had not known about the cell phone usage – very telling.
Dr. Glass is all over the place neurotic. In one article she claimed the verdict was just blah, blah, blah. She hoped that Casey would stay away from her toxic parents and then gushed about how Baez and Mason were like parents to her.
In her next article she was railing against the jurors and claimed she was livid at the verdict. She;s either really, really fickle or she has a split personality.
I agree JHJ77! She CAN NOT WRITE EITHER! LOL! Her posts are CHOCK FULL of SLOPPY type-os, mis-spelled words and lousy punctuation. Her sentences are poorly constructed and sometimes she types CASEY instead of CAYLEE!
I know a blog is supposed to be more PERSONAL and not so FORMAL but really!
Sometimes I disagree with everything she has posted and wonder which trial she was watching….also how much of it is “science” and how much of it is simply HER OPINION?
I used to read her every day but like you find her to be “SCHI-ZO!”
Another thing about her…have you noticed that she criticized Casey for preening and primping and being so concerned with her personal appearance…during a murder trial? She described it as shallow, etc…etc…etc…
YET the ENTIRE TIME…she was making TV appearances and she has had some MAJOR MAKE-OVER WORK DONE…I’m not sure if she got extensions or what…but she PRISSY-IED up her looks for all her appearances on nancy Grace etc…all the while talking about how shallow and superficial caring so much about your LOOKS were!
I don’t know about her.
I wonder if she’s having a mid-life crisis….seriously.
I don’t know where she stands and doubt that she actually knows what she’s talking a bout HALF the time!
Wow! I’m not alone! I thought I was the only one who found “Dr” Lillian a little off…ok a lot! I would read her blog and cringe at the typo’s and the misuse of Caylee’s name. I would yell at my computer, does she have spell check???? Then she went way down hill in credibilty and I stopped following her at all. Her opinions flip flop way to often for my taste. Any of us can make spelling and typo’s, but we we change our opinions at the drop of a hat??? NO! BUT “DR” LILLIAN DOES. She’s off my list of “must follows”. I have to say, I appreciate her saving me some time in my busy days!
Doris
Lillian glass is a fraud. And was educated as a speech therapist. No psychological background. She sounds like her wheels are off most of the time. And she deletes any comments that disagree with her. Anothr example of WTH?
After bozo gave his closing arguments, as an adult who demands respect, I was so offended that he spoke to those jurors like they were idiots. He whined and cried about unfairness and made law enforcement and the prosecution out to be bullies and cheaters by presenting “fantasy forensics”. Then, when Jeff got up, and spoke respectfully telling them it was their choice to believe the experts they found credible, I was so happy that he treated the jury with respect and talked to them like they had brains. Now, I can see that was his downfall. Seems they preferred those idiotic whiteboards colored in marker that bozo presented. As upset as I am at the baby killer herself, and the defense attorneys with no morals or ethics, I am beyond upset and disappointed with the jury. Initially I kept asking myself how all 12 people could be that unintelligent, gullible and naive? How could 12 people all agree that reviewing evidence was not necessary? How could all 12 people decide not to take any notes (until the defense started their case, of course).
I, too, noticed the part in Jeff’s book where he said they requested children’s movies, and I thought WTF? But after reading the comments posted here, I am in total agreement. I always thought that they didn’t WANT to believe a mother could be so evil. In the fantasy land they live in, mothers don’t kill their children. Jeff was right when he said the whole made up story was like going down a rabbit hole .. apparently these 12 idiots are very familiar with Alice in Wonderland.
Wonderful article. Wish it could be posted in the Orlando Sentinel where everybody in Florida would read it. I agree that they were all incompetent, lazy and stupid but I also think (without a doubt in my mind) that this group was bribed. Someday, someone will crack!
Once again .. a most excellent blog entry — Bravo!!
All I can say is YOUR ON POINT!! I never thought I would see the day our Justice System Crumbled. We need to educate so this never happens again. Its disturbing how she’s out here laughing as to enjoy it. RIP Caylee
THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE THE ANTHONYS WAS ASKING FOR MONEY TO HELP FIND CAYLEE
THEY KEPT THAT BLOOD MONEY NOT FOR CAYLEE THEY WENT ON A CRUISE WHILE THEY KNEW ALL ALONG THAT BABY WAS DEAD WHY HASNT THIS ALL COME OUT AND THOSE ANIMALS BEEN CHARGED?? CINDY KNEW ALL ALONG WHERE CASEY WAS HAD SOMEONE
FOLLOWED THE BITCH SHE WOULD HAVE TOOK YOU RIGHT TO CASEY LIVING HIGH ON THE HOG WHILE HER BABY LAY DEAD GRANDPARENTS OF THE DEVIL
Here’s an interesting article….also, I’m wondering – did Jeremy Lyons funnel “investigative” ca$h to Cross Church that reportedly he attends to set up the babykiller with a place to live, & a computer, in Port St. Lucie area where Lyons lives ?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/18/is-casey-anthony-hiding-in-palm-city-florida.html
Re: limiting the rights of the jury members to profit off their civic duty…the State of California legislated that jurors can’t profit off their duty for 90 days post-verdict. Legislation is limited by the Constitutional protections of the individual’s right to prosper. And really, do we want to not be able to hear from jurors ? I think prosecutors do, in some instances. I know I do.
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Re: professional juries. I think this idea is one way that the legal system can keep up with advanced science & technology, only in cases in which the discovery is beyond fingerprinting & DNA identifying, IMO. Unless a lawyer has a scientific/technological background, they’re science-ignoramouses for the most part, in my experience. (Which brings me to bozo’s self-promotion as a ‘forensic specialist’…not in your wildest dream, bozo….Uranus is closer to Earth than you are to being a ‘forensic’ anything.)
Another way to approach this is to categorize “certain” cases meeting “certain” criteria, such as the ‘mostly circumstantial’ & high-tech-forensic-evidence-filled, & include the “bone-dry skeletonized body” cases & “no body” cases, to be restricted to “Bench only” not “jury trial” decisions. In this way, a jury becomes “moot” & the professional “decider” well-versed in law & with significant experience in having tried cases themselves, & significant experience on the bench, hear the cases. I think the US Constitution is flexible enough to permit that restriction, given the technology advances since 1776. jmhho
Great series, NancyB. Thanks so much!
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> “The jury ignored the prosecution, as if they resented law enforcement & distrusted the state attorneys while they took as evidence Baez’s opening statement despite the fact it was not evidence.
Jury nullification in its finest.”
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> Yes, indeedy!
Jeremy Lyons, “personal assistant/PI” to bozo was sent to the Tampa area prior to & during the jury selection process. Bozo/Medina (to be precise) argued successfully in court to have more funds available for what can only loosely be termed, “investigation”, despite the fact that Mort Smith & others were the key mitigation investigators not Lyons. By then, bozo & mason’s paid trolls on social media sites, notably FaceBook, could’ve been channeling “things” to jury members as they were selected over time, since more than one had gone on the internet to search “but weren’t swayed by what they found” or “couldn’t remember what they’d seen”…I think Jennifer Ford was one of these people who had googled the case just prior to being selected, IIRC. (I just can’t bear the tediousness of researching it..Judge Perry changing selection rules day-to-day made the process mind-bogglingly confusing). jmho
beautiful written Post and I agree 100 %
The Defense had 3 Years to miss represent this Case in the Public.
By the time they got through with their fictional and outright Lies about this Case in the Media and any one who would listen to them and believe them, this Case was not about the Truth and Facts any more and the Victim Caylee got lost in All that Circus.
I agree we do not have to respect that Verdict those Jurors came up with for the same Fact they didn’t respect our Legal System by not following the Rules they were given by the Judge before deliberating.
I do believe Changes should be made when it comes to selecting any Jurors, yes they should be made to sign a Statement in which it is said, they can not profit from a Case they were selected as a Juror.
Our Legal System is said to be the Best in the World, that doesn’t mean there aren’t Flaws in the System which need Attention in Order to be corrected so Injustice like in the Anthony Case and some others where the Perpetrator goes free, doesn’t happen again.
Some Changes are overdue in our Legal System and that is a Fact.
My Hope is, that we All can learn from the Anthony Case to avoid in the Future such a Injustice
which was carried out in a Circus of a Trial like this. The Victim Caylee never received Justice for her Murder. The Person responsible for killing her was sent free.
Thank you Nancy B for a wonderfully written piece. I knew from your comment that this was going to be great, but had no idea who great it would turn out. Thank you so much for your insight and for sharing it with us. Can’t wait for Part 3!
Linda, as always, thank you for all you do! You eagerly share your blog with comments and comments that are upgraded to articles. Justice for Caylee is your concern and I appreciate all you do!
Doris
It has often been speculated that the jury …was tampered with. The verdict just did not make any sense, the facts were there and they were ignored. Why were they allowed cell phones, that was their communication with the outside world, who’s to say who they spoke too. Why was Baez celebrating before the verdict was read, what would make him so happy that he felt it necessary to give a 6 gun salute ? I mean after all his client was about to learn her fait, yet he was not bothered by that fact in the least. Why were the jurors cell phones not checked to see incoming and out going calls ? Baez did not put on a good trial, he is far from a reputable lawyer, in fact…he really didn’t make a name for himself until this trial….and it was sour. In fact …this article says it all, they were matched beyond perfect. Here we had a defendant, that could kill and lie about it without blinking an eye, and a defense attorney that could defame and fabricate on a dime…couldn’t have gone better for the 2. It’s a sad day when people are called to do their civic duty, and their self absorbed agendas take precedence..and justice for a little girl is lost….they had the power to see the facts , look at the facts, discuss the facts….but they chose to fail a little girl that had no voice. They chose to ignore the prosecutions voice, the reality that was before them, they chose to lower their standards and put themselves in the same catagory as the people ignoring her justice. I pay that one day, some day soon, the truth behind the verdict will surface, they are feared for a reason…because they were wrong, they allowed themselves to be manipulated…thousands of people can’t be wrong…they have to live with it.
Beverly, thanks for that info, I never knew they were allowed to keep their cell phones. That is without a doubt, beyond ridiculous. Why bother keeping them sequestered with cell phones?
I always wondered about Baez shooting his fat fingers in the air, when everyone thought she was going down….why was he so happy? I think we all know the answer to that now!
I hear ya there, i was totally confused when i read that about the cell phones. There was a great article that i recently read about the cell phones, ,the jury…it goes on and on…something seriously stinks about the jury and verdict…and i’m sure some day soon one of them will crack.
You have nailed it! This should be required reading for any and all future jurors.
I have always thought someone got to one or more of these jurors before the trial began. I am also of the belief that a neutral legal person should be in the room during deliberations, to see that the law is followed and apparently understood. Let’s call it ‘civic duty’ for a professional Judge. I am sure many retired judges and legal people would love to help out for a nominal fee. They don’t have a horse in the race and could clarify the law for some of the dimwits!
IMO, Jennifer Ford is as dumb as a box of rocks. She wanted to be on that jury for a reason, my guess is money.
This was the death of justice IMO. No one is held accountable for little Caylee’s death.
You’re right when you say there is no justice for children in Florida!!
That skank should have been put in prison for at least 30 years….instead she is free to put her ugly face out on the internet to try to make money. DISGUSTING!
Thank you for your informative blog!